Comments on Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11TypePad2011-06-24T23:44:06ZPete Phillipshttps://postmodernbible.blogs.com/postmodernbible/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://postmodernbible.blogs.com/postmodernbible/2011/06/seven-principles-for-new-media-in-a-digital-age-andrewgraystone-medialit11-1/comments/atom.xml/Rhianwenprays commented on 'Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451f11169e201538f7aaa2e970b2011-06-27T20:33:48Z2011-06-27T20:33:48ZRhianwenprayshttp://profile.typepad.com/rhianwenpraysReading back over the priciples,I'd like to address point five. I didn't take it as a generalisation meaning 'poor people...<p>Reading back over the priciples,I'd like to address point five. I didn't take it as a generalisation meaning 'poor people don't have access to the net'. I'd hazard a guess that most of us know someone who's poor by anybody's definition who uses the internet a lot. We probably also know people whom we'd call 'rich' who haven't got a computer.<br />
In my own experience,when I was first able to find online churches some years ago now, a big problem was that the sites kept on upgrading beyond the capability of my computer and the computers of some other members.No sooner could I afford some extra RAM and a larger HDD than the site again upgraded and outpaced me once more. I remember feeling excluded and far from a little annoyed. I was not alone. It seemed almost as though they were trying to force out the members who did not own top grade machines.If this still happens,and is the sort of thing meant by point five, I'd say it is certainly something for webmasters to consider seriously.<br />
Incidentally,re anonymity and pseudonimity : having posted earlier that I'd prefer to use my real name if I could,Twitter is the only program that will let me sign in to post here so it's a username that is displayed. The irony is not lost on me. :)</p>Pam Smith commented on 'Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451f11169e20154334d634c970c2011-06-27T18:15:10Z2011-12-01T05:16:29ZPam Smithhttp://profile.typepad.com/pamsmith1I think the way the original post is being discussed all over the place is a really good example of...<p>I think the way the original post is being discussed all over the place is a really good example of how topics 'splurge' across networks. </p>
<p>For that reason I'd question whether any definitive discussion can be had - it may prompt a topic or session at cnmac11 or any number of other acronymous venues, but each discussion would represent only one node of the discussion and could not in itself deliver any definitive answers, just more questions. </p>
<p>To me it seems the networking aspect of social media is the one that we understand least looking through our 'church goggles'. </p>
<p>One of the strangest suggestions I've seen in an article about how to 'use' the internet for evangelism was to set up one FB account that people you're trying to evangelise can see, where you set a good example, and another your friends can see where you can be yourself. </p>
<p>I think this sort of behaviour rapidly gets found out.</p>
<p>IMO it's being networked that keeps us authentic - we can't have different personas in different places because the same people crop up in different settings.</p>
<p>In fact I can see the point of a 'rule' in the sense of a personally adopted pattern of life, online and offline, but that is really about our own development. </p>
<p>In terms of rules of engagement for Christians online, I don't see why we need separate rules to those which are already widely accepted and disseminated as 'netiquette'. </p>
<p>Rule 2 in the example I'm looking at is summarised as: </p>
<p><i>Rule 2: Adhere to the same standards of behavior online that you follow in real life</i></p>
<p>http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html<br />
</p>Karen Wellman commented on 'Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451f11169e201543346692a970c2011-06-26T14:33:13Z2015-07-28T17:22:09ZKaren Wellmanhttp://profile.typepad.com/karenwellmanThe discussion may have moved along abit before this gets posted, but hey ho here's my 2$ worth. Whether you...<p>The discussion may have moved along abit before this gets posted, but hey ho here's my 2$ worth.</p>
<p>Whether you describe it as culture or norms of behaviour in community, there are ways of doing things online that have evolved. Most people who post online have heard of netiquette and the board or social networking site will have some rules of engagement. Of course they vary between sites and if any Christian in interested in a ministry of presence then it is worth listening hard to the norms of interaction before diving in, that is just missional good practice and good manners. Any Christian going online for the first time might be better prepared for what is out there if they know that trolling and sockpuppetting are pretty normal on the web. How you stop people messing with other people's heads online is a big question and probably has an answer in understanding human psychology rather than in putting in place lots of rules and regulations. Maybe as social networking gets more developed those of us who spend a lot of time online will get a better ear for deception and manipulation and work out ways for communties to deal with it with both boundries and compassion. </p>
<p>If Christians took seriously 'love your neighbour as yourself' then half the problems that Andrew's set of rules are designed to stop wouldn't be needed. But we do have the problem of Christians who want to define themselves as the 'one true church' and that creates unique problems for Christians online as everyone has a voice and the one that shouts that everyone who does not agree with their interpretation of scripture is going to hell is a tricky one to deal with online. </p>
<p>Possibly more questions than answers here, sorry!</p>Useful Inparts commented on 'Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451f11169e201543344fadc970c2011-06-26T07:56:21Z2014-02-17T12:05:11ZUseful Inpartshttp://profile.typepad.com/inpartswell these comments are anonymous so what happens now? seems to me that there is much we all don't say...<p>well these comments are anonymous so what happens now?</p>
<p>seems to me that there is much we all don't say about ourselves when being in this space - like why we post or tweet - job, leisure, ego, to earn a living, whatever?</p>
<p>and now and then there seems to be a bit of the following going on - i've got this many followers or my ranking on xx is xx - http://bit.ly/jmP0T1</p>
<p>or of course sometimes we want to highlight issues - like how your searches are being filtered in ways you don't know - http://bit.ly/jA15DA - which also draws traffic to our site</p>Pete Phillips commented on 'Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451f11169e2014e89626e0a970d2011-06-25T19:57:27Z2011-07-06T05:51:11ZPete Phillipshttp://profile.typepad.com/pmphillipsThankyou for the huge range of comments. Really interesting conversations. Will reflect...<p>Thankyou for the huge range of comments. Really interesting conversations. Will reflect...</p>Rhianwenprays commented on 'Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451f11169e2015433425a5e970c2011-06-25T19:43:01Z2011-06-25T19:43:01ZRhianwenprayshttp://profile.typepad.com/rhianwenpraysAs an ordinary person in the pew,not an academic or a clergyperson,I'd like to add my fourpenn'orth.I am happy not...<p>As an ordinary person in the pew,not an academic or a clergyperson,I'd like to add my fourpenn'orth.I am happy not to use a pseudonym myself,and feel no need to take part in services using more than one identity.I can,however,imagine that there may be those Christians who wish to remain temporarily anonymous for a good reason and who use the ability to worship on the internet for that purpose.Anonymity and pseudonimity do not necessarily mean the worshipper has something to hide.Were I a member of the Royal Family for instance,or perhaps a Prime Minister or Former Prime Minister, accustomed to reading the Lesson in Westminster Abbey while being watched on the TV or having my arrival at church made an item on the news,I might well wish to remember how it feels to take part in a service when there are not millions looking at me.I wouldn't begrudge Her Majesty an avatar.So long as the real names of internet church leaders are readily available, as they are in The Anglican Cathedral of Second Life for example,and that the intention behind pseudonimity is privacy and not deception I can see it as helpful for some although it is not a facility I use willingly myself.</p>Ernie Feasey commented on 'Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451f11169e2014e8961e958970d2011-06-25T17:45:41Z2013-10-18T19:10:15ZErnie Feaseyhttp://profile.typepad.com/feaseyI think that prescribing how we behave online in a given way, because we are Christians is the wrong approach....<p>I think that prescribing how we behave online in a given way, because we are Christians is the wrong approach.</p>
<p>Surely, we should be the same person online as we are offline. If authenticity is the issue, then being yourself online is the most important thing we should be.</p>
<p>While I might use a pseudoidentity on line, I am easily linked back to my identify via my blog and googleID. </p>
<p>I use social media for a number of reasons, one of which is educational, I learn a huge amount from my interaction via sites such as i-church and layanglicana and on twitter and facebook. </p>
<p>I appreciate that trust and mutual responsibility is just as important for online relationships as for those offline. But they can be built in much the same way through being genuine and authentic, open and honest. Which I take it, is how we all live our lives anyway.</p>
<p>Social media and digital communications have huge implications for Christians and churches, perhaps our time would be better employed educating and convincing the wider community, who offline are suspicious of anything online. I have heard online relationships described as not real, false and worse.</p>
<p>I'm still fighting this battle in more than one forum, crucially for me, the DDO helping me has actually seen the benefit of my online engagements and has encouraged me to be here and to write of my experiences. </p>
<p>I don't need a set of principles, just some commonsense guidance in websites terms and conditions which spell out what is and what is not acceptable. Leaving it to the user to live up to them.</p>Thechurchmouse commented on 'Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451f11169e2015433410e44970c2011-06-25T15:02:17Z2014-12-11T21:48:07ZThechurchmousehttp://profile.typepad.com/thechurchmouseA few thoughts on content - happy to revise once Pete expands: 1. Singularity of Personality :: I am one...<p>A few thoughts on content - happy to revise once Pete expands:</p>
<p>1. Singularity of Personality :: I am one person although I may express myself in different ways in different contexts. </p>
<p><i> How could one be anything else - this is a statement of fact, not a principle for operating. If someone attempts to be different personalities in different places, they will soon come unstuck.</i></p>
<p>2. Humanising digital relationships :: Humanise the relationship between the person who creates content and the person who consumes that content. Fair Trade link between consumers and producers.</p>
<p><i>This is the start of the problem. In social networking there is not a 'creator of content' and a 'consumer' - we all share our own thoughts and views and engage with others.</i></p>
<p>3. Conscientization :: people need to understand the power dynamics within that production/consumption process - the need to look at equality and co-operation rather than abusive power dynamics</p>
<p><i>That really is not a word! Andrew has talked about this 'power dynamic' before, but for me new media and social networking breaks down those power relationships. Anyone has the power to create something worth reading (my blog being an example). The power to do this is no longer restricted to those with the money to spend on developing flashy websites, or hiring PR agencies - just get a free blog, free facebook account and free twitter account - off you go. </i></p>
<p>4. Authority and Openness :: everything should be traceable to the real you! Be clear and authentic and let people check you! Andrew rejects the idea of pseudonimity online. In his online church he uses a pseudonym but easily trackable back to the real person.</p>
<p><i>Here we differ slightly. I am traceable back to me very easily - all my online contributions are clearly mine, and you can get hold of me via twitter, facebook and my email address is on the blog. Pen names are nothing new. What is destructive is a truly anonymous comment which is personal, offensive, etc. There is nothing wrong with a consistently held pseudonymous identity.</i></p>
<p>5. Digital Justice :: making sure that access does not depend on wealth - digital apartheid? A preferential option for the digitally poor.</p>
<p><i>Is this the age old concern of the digital dinosaur - that poor people don't have access to the internet? I hope not. I don't know what 'digitally poor' means. Look forward to Pete's notes on this.</i></p>
<p>6. Mission and Service :: Global village connected by digitisation - what does it mean to do mission/to serve in a hyperconnected planet.</p>
<p></i>The same as it always has. We have to get stuck in.</i></p>
<p>7. Embodiment :: the priority of embodiment.</p>
<p><i>No idea what this means.</i></p>Drbexl commented on 'Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451f11169e2014e8960f8ca970d2011-06-25T14:37:21Z2014-02-17T12:37:44ZDrbexlhttp://profile.typepad.com/drbexlMy notes are not as tidy as Pete's, but this was how I heard it: http://bigbible.org.uk/2011/06/%E2%80%9Ci-saw-it-on-tv-therefore-it-must-be-true%E2%80%9D-andrew-graystone-medialit11/ (exactly as my notes...<p>My notes are not as tidy as Pete's, but this was how I heard it: http://bigbible.org.uk/2011/06/%E2%80%9Ci-saw-it-on-tv-therefore-it-must-be-true%E2%80%9D-andrew-graystone-medialit11/ (exactly as my notes were taken on the day - note the last question). </p>
<p>I would like to put this debate back out into the Big Bible space next week so it will be interesting to see where the debate has gone in the meantime!</p>Pete Phillips commented on 'Seven Principles for New Media in a Digital Age @AndrewGraystone #medialit11'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451f11169e2014e8960c409970d2011-06-25T13:47:18Z2011-07-06T05:51:11ZPete Phillipshttp://profile.typepad.com/pmphillipsGood points all around - I like the suggestion that we need to explore this further and start a conversation...<p>Good points all around - I like the suggestion that we need to explore this further and start a conversation rather than see this as a pronouncement. Laura has suggested #cnmac11 (Christian New Media Awards and Conference on 15th October in London) as a good a place as any. Perhaps she is right although I wonder whether we need to create other opportunities too.<br />
Pete</p>